Afghanistan legislation = rape ok!

[Otaku]

WHOH! There is legislation right now in Afganistan that would make it illegal for women to go out in public without their husbands and make it legal for husbands to rape their wives.

Compared to that, Japan is pretty liberal!

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/ ... 4&src=news

[crustpunker]

shocking!

But then again, In Vermont and Alaska a 16 year old can (provided they are not a felon) legally carry a concealed firearm. Things is craaaaazzzzy all over the world (though in my mind it does seem to make more sense to be armed in the Alaskan wilderness than in Vermont somehow)

[Paul]

What bothers me the most about this is that the US went into Afganistan to help prop up the regime in power and to hopefully introduce democracy to the country.

How many more hundreds or thousands of American Servicemen and women have to lose their lives fighting in a country that doesnt even support the same ideal's and goals of freedom and liberty for all members of it's society. There is no way a law like that would even be contemplated anywhere in the United States and yet America is supporting a government that looks to take the country back to the dark ages.

I wonder in some ways if this legislation is in some ways a test of the will power of the new American president and to see if there will be any reaction.

[crustpunker]

The problem with a place like Afghanistan is that really, what do citizens have to fight for? Generally speaking I would argue that most don't really give a toss either way as they are either resigned to their situation or looking for a way to escape from it. There is almost zero pride in terms of national identity and patriotism And being proud to be from there is not something that I imagine runs deeply through their soul the way Americans imagine it should. It is hard to get the country to change when there is no incentive for anyone to do so.

America's fatal flaw in that region is their displacement of American patriotism on regular citizens and expecting them to actually want to change for "the better". No citizen there has any idea what the hell the U.S. is talking about I think.
Furthermore I don't think they can/should be expected to fight for change just because the yanks say "o.k. now you are a Democracy"

Really?

[hokkaido1]

good points

but in this part of the world, I think one thing is certain.

Things will change! thats for sure (so this law might not be round for long)

[crustpunker]

one can only hope so...
the world seems to be a giant convoluded mess these days.
depressing

[Otaku]

I've been thinking lately how it seems like the world is going to hell in a handbasket, but then I was thinking if it has always been this way and its because of the internet and other technology that links us all together that brings all the crap to the forefront?

[crustpunker]

I am very interested in this topic as well. Is it really endtimes or have things always been more or less this way? Or, is it just the recent ability to be more connected to endless and various atrocities through the internet that makes the world seem worse?
I guess we just ride the zeitgeist...

On a long enough timeline though I think there really is no hope for us.
Humans have a unique ability to perserve through acts of sheer madness using self serving means to advance their own selfish goals when in a posistion of power.

We as a species do not seem to be able to wield power/influence in a responsible matter without hurting others.
look at.

I also think that another problem is that we don't seem to be equiped with the ability to cap ourselves at a certain degree of success. I mean, our hunger for bigger, better, more is unsaitable. Because of this, anyone or thing that gets in the way of some abstract innate desire to gain more ground will end of trampled or tossed aside.

bleak aye?

[Paul]

In my opinion people, including myself, have allowed the media and the internet to overly influence our view on the world.

There was a time in the not too distant past where we didnt know everything as it happened, we didnt live to find out what is going to come next but lived life instead.


Just my thoughts here.

[crustpunker]

I miss those times.

When the best graphics ever were going outside and taking a walk.

[hokkaido1]

I saw in the news on the weekend that this new law has now been scrapped

like I said in a previous comment, I didn't think it would stay for long

[Otaku]

Yeah, probably scraped like the N. Korea nuclear program.

I bet you anything, on paper it's not legal but in practice...

[hokkaido1]

probably a good point, but we were talking about the "actual law"

I suppose many (if not all) countries say one thing and often do another, if you dig you can probably find that in all countries??

[jessen100]

considering all of this, whichever way the rape situation goes...

how in the world do single men get wives there?

these men cant see what the women look like before they marry them?
and what about single women? would they just not be allowed on the streets?
like, when would they even meet?

Even in this event in which these men are taking this rediculous sexual inequality to this point, it seems to me that they are making society worse for themselves as well.

note:(i know nothing at all of this topic and am 100% speculating from this post)
i suppose ill look it up now

[Paul]

considering all of this, whichever way the rape situation goes...

how in the world do single men get wives there?

Probably the same way they have been doing it in that part of the world centuries previous, arranged marriages, and women become chatel of their families. No rights outside of the home and few rights at all inside as well.

Even in this event in which these men are taking this rediculous sexual inequality to this point, it seems to me that they are making society worse for themselves as well.

IMO the men take it because that is all they know and they have never been educated to believe that there even is such a thing as equility between the sexes.

Are they guilty just because they are ignorant or choose to have other beliefs than westerners?

I personally have a hard time with it and could never accept it. I do not nor never would ever condone such laws or behaviour but I must say that if I had been raised in that type of society I wonder I how I would react if people complained to me about how I treat my women/property?