An opinion of the US from outside

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Re: An opinion of the US from outside

Postby hokkaido1 on Fri Feb 04, 2011 11:54 am

GETAK wrote:This article might have something to say on the matter.
All male Swiss adults own a firearm and keep it at home. Things are changing, but it has been this way for along time.

"[Swiss] Police statistics for the year 2006[12] records 34 killings or attempted killings involving firearms..."

Here is the article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland

And a diagram for the US:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ushomicidesbyweapon.svg


very interesting
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Re: An opinion of the US from outside

Postby gsuiris on Fri Feb 04, 2011 12:40 pm

I think America should follow Chris Rock's advice and make bullets very expensive.


Everybody is talking about gun control. Got to control the guns. MEXT, that, I like guns. If you've got a gun, you don't need to work out! Cause, I ain't working out. I ain't jogging. No, I think we need some bullet control. I think every bullet should cost five thousand dollars. Five thousand dollars for a bullet. Know why? Cos if a bullet cost five thousand dollars, there'd be no more innocent by-standers. That'd be it. Some guy'd be shot you'd be all 'Damn, he must've done something, he's got fifty thousand dollars worth of bullets in his ass!' And people'd think before they shot someone 'Man I will blow your MEXTing head off, if I could afford it. I'm gonna get me a second job, start saving up, and you a dead man. You'd better hope I don't get no bullets on lay-away!' And even if you get shot you wouldn't need to go to the emergency room. Whoever shot you'd take their bullet back. 'I believe you got my property?'
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Re: An opinion of the US from outside

Postby Richard_Benoit on Fri Feb 04, 2011 12:51 pm

Nice gsuiris, makes sense! 5000 a little extreme but hell plus one for Chris Rock.

(will reply to SDB's gun stuff on the "more gun thread" from here on out. To allow more perspectives of America on different topics)
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Re: An opinion of the US from outside

Postby SirDickusBacillus on Fri Feb 04, 2011 1:08 pm

I loved that Chris Rock bit, but I think a lot of people may have listened too well. There are many people who make their own bullets. Especially for rifles.

I also loved his bit about the war on drugs. I cant find the script.
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Re: An opinion of the US from outside

Postby Richard_Benoit on Tue Mar 01, 2011 2:52 pm

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/27/AR2011022703945_2.html?sid=ST2011022703951


I read this and well....wasn't surprised. What is the American gov. to do if they want to "tighten the belt?"

Just mirror the private sector's strategy and create the mcJob! Undermine unions making it easier to erode worker's rights, reduce pay, benefits etc..


I especially love how they pit the average private sector worker against the government workers. That is a great way to keep people divided and distracted while the real greed, and gluttony that is forcing all this "belt tightening" continues unabated on wall st.
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Re: An opinion of the US from outside

Postby Paul on Tue Mar 01, 2011 3:00 pm

Personally I agree with the Gov of WI and what he is doing.

I believe that people should have the choice to join a union, and under the current setup they are forced to join, and are forced to pay dues as well. Unions serve a purpose, I am not against them, but what many unions have done is bid America out of the world market as I see it. One example and this is probably better as a stand alone topic, but I believe that unions were in a big way responsible for the collapse of GM, worker costs had gotten outrageous and the unions wanted blood from a stone, yes the management screwed up too but it was a joint screw up as I see it.
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Re: An opinion of the US from outside

Postby moolooman on Tue Mar 01, 2011 3:18 pm

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Re: An opinion of the US from outside

Postby Richard_Benoit on Fri Apr 15, 2011 10:29 am

Thought I would dump this here. Touches a bit on a few current events like unions and the wisconson episode a little while ago, the financial crisis as well as Egypt.

http://www.chomsky.info/articles/20110309.htm

A quick, poignant, racapping read.
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Re: An opinion of the US from outside

Postby Richard_Benoit on Tue Jun 07, 2011 1:42 pm

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Re: An opinion of the US from outside

Postby Richard_Benoit on Wed Oct 19, 2011 12:21 pm

Just trying to find a place to dump this. Just more proof that the game has changed for the worse. Guess no one believes in "America's most wanted" anymore. No more cash rewards. Just a big ol bomb on your place! Fuzzy line between combatant and criminal rearing it's head again. Terrorism begets terrorism I suppose.

Everyone, including Americans make sure you you don't get mistaken for a terrorist, BA-BOOM! (justice)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_al-Awlaki

Following from the wiki link:

Al-Awlaki was believed to be in hiding in Southeast Yemen in the last years of his life.[29] The U.S. deployed unmanned aircraft in Yemen to search for and kill him,[36] firing at and failing to kill him at least once,[37] before he was killed in a drone attack in Yemen on September 30, 2011.[38] Al-Awlaki's 17-year old son was reportedly killed on October 14, 2011, by an American drone strike in Yemen.[39]
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Re: An opinion of the US from outside

Postby Richard_Benoit on Wed Dec 07, 2011 2:12 pm

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/dec/06/iran-war-drums-terry-jones

In the 14th century there were two pandemics. One was the Black Death, the other was the commercialisation of warfare. Mercenaries had always existed, but under Edward III they became the mainstay of the English army for the first 20 years of what became the Hundred Years war. Then, when Edward signed the treaty of Brétigny in 1360 and told his soldiers to stop fighting and go home, many of them didn't have any homes to go to. They were used to fighting, and that's how they made their money. So they simply formed themselves into freelance armies, aptly called "free companies", that proceeded around France pillaging, killing and raping.

One of these armies was called the Great Company. It totalled, according to one estimate, 16,000 soldiers, larger than any existing national army. Eventually it descended on the pope, in Avignon, and held him to ransom. The pope made the mistake of paying off the mercenaries with huge amounts of cash, which only encouraged them to carry on marauding. He also suggested that they move on into Italy, where his arch-enemies, the Visconti, ran Milan. This they did, under the banner of the Marquis of Monferrato, again subsidised by the pope.

The nightmare had begun. Huge armies of brigands rampaging through Europe was a disaster second only to the plague. It seemed as if the genie had been let out of the bottle and there was no way of putting him back in. Warfare had suddenly turned into a profitable business; the Italian city states became impoverished as taxpayers' money was used to buy off the free companies. And since those who made money out of the business of war naturally wished to go on making money out of it, warfare had no foreseeable end.

Wind forward 650 years or so. The US, under George W Bush, decided to privatise the invasion of Iraq by employing private "contractors" like the Blackwater company, now renamed Xe Services. In 2003 Blackwater won a $27m no-bid contract for guarding Paul Bremer, then head of the Coalition Provisional Authority. For protecting officials in conflict zones since 2004, the company has received more than $320m. And this year the Obama government contracted to pay Xe Services a quarter of a billion dollars for security work in Afghanistan. This is just one of many companies making its profits out of warfare.

In 2000 the Project for the New American Century published a report, Rebuilding America's Defenses, whose declared aim was to up the spending on defence from 3% to 3.5% or 3.8% of American gross domestic product. In fact it is now running at 4.7% of GDP. In the UK we spend about $57bn a year on defence, or 2.5% of GDP.

Just like the taxpayers of medieval Italian city-states, we are having our money siphoned off into the business of war. Any responsible company needs to make profits for its shareholders. In the 14th century the shareholders in the free companies were the soldiers themselves. If the company wasn't being employed by someone to make war on someone else, the shareholders had to forgo their dividends. So they looked around to create markets for themselves.

Sir John Hawkwood's White Company would offer its services to the pope or to the city of Florence. If either turned his offer down, Hawkwood would simply make an offer to their enemies. As Francis Stonor Saunders writes in her wonderful book, Hawkwood – Diabolical Englishman: "The value of the companies was the purely negative one of maintaining the balance of military power between the cities." Just like the cold war.

Two decades ago I picked up an in-house magazine for the arms industry. Its editorial was headed "Thank God For Saddam". It explained that, since the collapse of communism and end of the cold war, the order books of the arms industry had been empty. But now there was a new enemy, the industry could look forward to a bonanza. The invasion of Iraq was built around a lie: Saddam had no weapons of mass destruction, but the defence industry needed an enemy, and the politicians duly supplied one.

And now the same war drums, encouraged by the storming of the British embassy last week, are beating for an attack on Iran. Seymour Hersh writes in the New Yorker: "All of the low enriched uranium now known to be produced inside Iran is accounted for." The recent IAEA report which provoked such outcry against Iran's nuclear ambitions, he continues, contains nothing that proves that Iran is developing nuclear weapons.

In the 14th century it was the church that lived in symbiosis with the military. Nowadays it is the politicians. The US government spent a staggering $687bn on "defence" in 2010. Think what could be done with that money if it were put into hospitals, schools or to pay off foreclosed mortgages.

The retiring US president, Dwight D Eisenhower, famously took the opportunity of his farewell to the nation address in 1961 to warn his fellow countrymen of the danger in allowing too close a relationship between politicians and the defence industry.

"This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience," he said. "In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist." It exists. The genie is out of the bottle again.


687 bn on "defence...?" Just grotesque. That number never gets old!!! :noway:
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Re: An opinion of the US from outside

Postby Otaku on Wed Dec 07, 2011 2:57 pm

Yeah, I had to read that 687 number twice myself. It disgusts me how much money is plugged into the military...all at the expense of the American taxpayers.

President: "Let's go attack that foreign country today. What? We need money?!?! That's okay Taxpayer Joe will pay for our trip."

Two words: MEXT BUSH! <--that sounds so naughty.
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Re: An opinion of the US from outside

Postby Richard_Benoit on Wed Dec 07, 2011 3:05 pm

Yeah, we should all share the burden of our ventures, but when all those paying for it can't say "no" we have a problem.
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Re: An opinion of the US from outside

Postby jeisensei on Wed Dec 07, 2011 3:06 pm

This is why my beloved NASA is going though so many woes. [rage]
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Re: An opinion of the US from outside

Postby Jeimuzu on Wed Dec 07, 2011 5:57 pm

jeisensei wrote:This is why my beloved NASA is going though so many woes. [rage]


Damn politicians.

MEXT the Moon, Mars and generally making the human race go beyond the boundaries of our small World, money is better spent on killing each other.
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Re: An opinion of the US from outside

Postby moolooman on Mon Dec 12, 2011 6:49 pm

You can always count on Americans to do the right thing—after they’ve tried everything else.
-Winston Churchill

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Re: An opinion of the US from outside

Postby jeisensei on Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:50 am

moolooman wrote:You can always count on Americans to do the right thing—after they’ve tried everything else.
-Winston Churchill

:rofl:


So true <<I say as I am trying to hide the American flag on my profile>>
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Re: An opinion of the US from outside

Postby Richard_Benoit on Wed Feb 01, 2012 1:11 pm

http://www.democracynow.org/2012/1/31/headlines#0

President Obama: "I want to make sure the people understand actually drones have not caused a huge number of civilian casualties. For the most part, they have been very precise precision strikes against al-Qaeda and their affiliates. And we are very careful in terms of how it’s been applied. So I think that there’s this perception somehow that we’re just sending in a whole bunch of strikes willy-nilly. This is a targeted, focused effort at people who are on a list of active terrorists who are trying to go in and harm Americans, hit American facilities, American bases and so on. It is important for everybody to understand that this thing is kept on a very tight leash."


The Bureau of Investigative Journalism reported in August that U.S. drones strikes had killed between about 400 and 800 civilians, including 175 children. The Bureau put the total number of people killed by drones as high as 3,000.

I
would hate to see a loose leash. Or "willy nilly" strikes. Tell me another one Mr. President. Every one innocent or terrorist killed extrajudicially probably creates at least 5 more. Just imagine a father of a slain child... "Where is my AK?" ...would be my response
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Re: An opinion of the US from outside

Postby Richard_Benoit on Thu Feb 09, 2012 1:42 pm

http://www.democracynow.org/2012/2/8/ramarley_graham_nypd_slays_unarmed_black

Another young black man, shot dead by NYPD. Apparently the 3rd one this week.
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